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Monday, Apr. 12, 2004 12:06 PM EDT
NY Times: Bush Should Have Used Racial Profiling to Prevent 9/11

Don't look now, but the oh-so politically correct New York Times has just endorsed racial profiling as a critical tool in fighting the war on terrorism.

In fact, says the Times, if only President Bush had ordered airports to use "threat profiling" to screen out suspected Muslim terrorists after receiving a CIA warning in August 2001 that al Qaeda was preparing to hijack U.S. airplanes, the 9/11 attacks might have been prevented.

"After receiving that briefing memo entitled 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.'," says the Times in Monday's lead editorial, Bush should have departed from his vacation in Crawford, Texas and "rushed back to the White House, assembled all his top advisers and demanded to know what, in particular, was being done to screen airline passengers to make sure people who fit the airlines' threat profiles were being prevented from boarding American planes."

Of course, since all the terrorists mentioned in the August CIA memo were Middle Eastern radical Muslims, passengers of Middle Eastern appearance would have "fit the airline's threat profile."

Hence, under the Times plan, Muslims by the thousands would have been yanked from airport ticket lines for thorough investigation.

But there's a reason that, even after 9/11, anti-terrorist racial profiling is verboten. It's because newspapers like the Times have spent the last 20 years demonizing law enforcement officials who even hint that racial profiling can be an effective way of ferreting out the bad guys.

The anti-profiling taboo has gone so far that often the Times and other like-minded news outlets will leave race out of the mix when describing a criminal suspect who's on the loose.

Alas, had the Times
 
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Racial profiling= the dumbest term ever.

They still stop old ladies to have them take off their shoes at the airport.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr NJ Sports:
Racial profiling= the dumbest term ever.

They still stop old ladies to have them take off their shoes at the airport.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
pretty sad.
 

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You've corrupted the term as defined in previous criticisms by The NY Times (and most others) of the topic of racial profiling.

Racial profiling when used in combination with confirmed facts about a possible perpretrator of a crime(s) can be totally appropriate.

For example, if there is a shooting and a number of witnesses can confirm, it was a short fat white guy driving a red pickup truck and he drove off two minutes ago, police would be correct to take a closer look at any and all red or even dark colored pickups within a few mile radius. And as they observed these trucks, they could reasonably eliminate green, powder blue, yellow and white trucks. Then on the red or dark colored trucks they could quickly eliminate most African Americans or people of dark color. They could also eliminate female drivers. In short, they are applying a CONFIRMED PROFILE of a possible perpretrator.

What the Times and most other reputable civil liberties supporters have decried is the use of police using a Profile that does not clearly confirm a possibility of a crime.

The most commonly abused example is police who pull over a vastly disproportionate number of minority-race drivers and subject them to searches for illegal contraband.

The problem here is that the use of illegal drugs is not affected by race. In fact, whites use drugs at a very slight increased ratio to their population than do blacks or hispanics.

Thus, this inappropriate profiling results in a much higher rate of minority race citizens being busted on drug charges, even though they are no more or less likely to be an offender.


If I'm a cop on the highway, and I'm told that a red pickup with a short fat white guy is carrying a bomb and coming my way, I will for sure profile every damn vehicle as quickly as possible to narrow down the threat.

If I'm a cop and I'm told that one in eight drivers coming my way is carrying illegal drugs and I then pull over 75 minority race drivers out of the next 100 stops, I'm profiling inappropriately.

That's why the NY Times earlier criticism is right on target, while their suggestion about profiling known Mideastern terrorist suspects is more worthy of discussion.
 

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the times are not the only one profiling.
they do it everyday at the road block on interstate 91 and 89 in vermont
so far everytime we have gone through this it's only mid westerners or blondes being checked.
oh and one more sour note of this.
if they happen to come across someone with out proper paperwork they are arrested and booked.
result for 120 dollars bail they are giving a court date and set free. pretty good hey

"dont take life so serious, you wont be getting out of here alive"
 

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bumped to better educate about the accurate use of the term 'racial profiling'.
 

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What the fxck are you talking about...you can fit your defintion of RP anytime you want...thats the problem...just like at the airports..they have to give Mother Mary Kathryn a cavity check everytime they give a a mideasterner a check and that the truth..If the numbers are off then they get the ACLU the NY TIMES and alan Douchebag and have 3 week investigation over it...and it leads the news..If this shit was going on pre 9/11 the phonies at the NY Times would have been howling at the top of their lungs.
 

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If the TSA is actually searching all nationalities of people in proportion to population demographics, they are morons.

If however, they are selectively focusing on Mideastern folks, they are smartly using a rational profiling tool, since all terrorist attacks from outside the U.S. have been carried out by such people to date.

In the meantime, the earlier NY Times criticism of police randomly selecting minority race citizens for routine traffic stops stands as a solid editorial position.

Oh, and is there any chance you can respond to a post without Fukkin' this and fukkin' that?
 

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I wonder if the NY times would have said the same thing if Clinton was in office.

Pure BS barman. Stats show that a higher percentage of blacks commit crime compared than whites.

Why is it any different from profiling them than Muslims as terrosists.
 

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How about just calling it no Muslims or Arabs on airplanes. I'd go for that, and I'm not alone.
 

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TTeller: Stats show that a higher percentage of blacks commit crime compared than whites.

Why is it any different from profiling them than Muslims as terrosists?

BAR: For what its worth, drug policy happens to be my area of expertise.

It is NOT a fact that blacks use illegal drugs more than whites. In FACT, whites use at a slightly higher rate per capita than either blacks or Hispanics.

See:
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/racepris.htm #7

Thus, there is no logical rationale for conducting 100 routine traffic stops and having 75+ be for blacks or Hispanics. That is why the Times is correct to denounce racial profiling of this nature, which BTW was exposed for the problem it is during the Clinton years.

See, per the TOpic of this Thread, the NY Times is CORRECT to call for racial profiling of Arabs, Mideasterners, and Muslims from other countries at our airports as it has been definitively shown that these people have committed virtually all terrorist actions within the United States over the past 15 years.

And the NY Times is also CORRECT to denounce racial profiling as practiced by many law enforcement agencies when they target specific races for routine traffic stops, with no evidence of a crime being committed.

I'm kinda near the viewpoint of AMERICAN who suggests we don't let any Muslims or Arabs fly.

Not quite. But I definitely think until we have a better sense of where and what Al Quada is up to, I agree with the Times and believe we should very carefully scrutinize all such people at airports, especially in major population centers.
 

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